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Pet Sales at Flea Markets: 'Animal Cruelty' or Misunderstood?

A puppy seller at Wagon Wheel Flea Market takes issue with the protests from some local residents who are opposed to his business. What do you think?

 

(Editor's note: The State Attorney's Office opted not to prosecute Mitch Pelletier in the case referenced in this article following an investigation in October 2012.)


What's your take? Post a comment below or vote in our poll.


The practice of selling animals in local open air markets has created an outcry on Facebook and led to a petition on change.org, but a local pet dealer has a different perspective on flea market puppy sales.

Some local residents are against sales of animals at Wagon Wheel Flea Market in Pinellas Park on weekends.

Tammy Sommers started the No Sales of Animals at Wagon Wheel Facebook page after seeing photos and going to the market, where she said she observed plastic wrapping on cages and empty water bowls.

"Imagine being in a fur coat in a tent," she said.

Sommers' goal is the proper treatment of the animals, providing them with adequate ventilation and water, she said.

Mary Barrett, who started the petition to stop the sale of live animals at Florida open air markets, also has animal welfare concerns.

Barrett said selling animals at flea markets is just one part of a larger pet overpopulation problem in Pinellas County. Barrett coordinates a dog rescue group in Gulfport, and she has concerns for the breeding practices and the health of the animals, she said.

Puppy Seller's Side of the Story

Mitch Pelletier sells puppies at a local flea market. Pelletier says he could buy dogs from puppy mills. Instead, he gets the puppies from local families who have unwanted or unexpected litters, he said.

Pelletier is very familiar with the social media posts against selling animals at flea markets.

"I am just amazed at the attacks. They just assume I am a bad guy," Pelletier said.

"I am a problem solver. I get local litters and clean them up," he said.

Pelletier says he has had various agencies inspect him over the years.

Recently, Pinellas County Animal Services investigated Pelletier's animal sales at Wagon Wheel and found the conditions were acceptable, said Interim Animal Services Director Will Davis.

Pelletier, of Playpen Puppies, is a licensed pet dealer. However, he was cited for not providing health certificates when several puppies were sold, Davis said.

Pelletier says he was not using the USDA forms, but rather a form from a local veterinary. He said he would be using the USDA forms on future sales.

Animal Cruelty Charge

Pelletier also faces a misdemeanor animal cruelty charge not directly related to his flea market puppy sales.

A pit bull puppy was found without food or water in a cage on the porch of Pelletier's Ulmerton Road home, according to the SPCA.

Pelletier says he was up north over Christmas. When someone texted him and asked him to take a puppy back and find it another home. Pelletier said he was just trying to help the family and he expected one of the people who take care of the animals at his store on 66th Street North to be able to go by his home and get the dog. 

"I couldn't find anyone to pick up the puppy during Christmas Day because they were all at family functions. My puppy caretaker was supposed to pick the puppy up on Monday...the SPCA got there first because the puppy was barking," Pelletier wrote in an email.

The SPCA said the puppy was left alone on the porch for three days and found by a neighbor. The dog ended up being adopted by a family through the SPCA.

The court case concerning the animal cruelty charge is not scheduled for trial until September.

  • Should animals be sold in open air flea markets in Florida?

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Related Topics: Animal Cruelty, Animal Welfare, Flea Markets, Pinellas County Animal Services, Puppy, Puppy Mills, SPCA, and Wagon wheel

animal lover

8:56 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

I have often witnessed these puppies being sold in the extreme heat without proper care. Also, I am a little suspicious of Mr. Pelletier's undertakings and how properly he is caring for these dogs. Why not regulate and regularly inspect these individuals that are selling these animals. There is nothing wrong with selling these animals as long as they are properly cared for.

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Monica Sanchez

8:42 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

I spoke with animal control regarding this seller. They have been to his home, place of business and the market. He has passed all inspections, to the point of saying he is well taking care of these animals. Animal control would not pass inspection if his at home or businesses indicated abuse or neglect.

Diane Felix

11:32 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

I arrived Saturday the 4th of August, in time to see Mr. Pelletier and some puppies in the back end of his van. It was after 8 am and already hot outside. The puppies were barking and that is what got my attention. When I turned around and looked the puppies were in the back of a van in cages, but the van was totally in the sun. Mr Pelletier was setting up tables and putting cloths on them to display the puppies. Instead of leaving them in the hot van, I wonder why he did not take them out (since they were in cages) and then do his set up of the tables. I felt really sorry for the puppies in the heat and humidity.

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Monica Sanchez

8:43 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

He leaves them the van A/C until their tables are set up. Report the facts please

D

2:52 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

I bought a dog from him last March and it is the best dog that I have ever had. Cooper is a half english bull dog and half brown boxer. The dog was very clean and healthy dog with papper work on all the shots that he had so far. I have owned dogs my whole life and could not be happier with the animal I purchased. I still vist the flea market weekly and inspect the puppies that he is selling and even though it is hot there are plenty of fans on the animals with lots of water to drink. Also I read in the article about the plastic around the dog cages at the Flea Market. That is at a different stand that sells Yorkies and they have an air conditioner hooked up to the cages and the plastic helps keep the cold in the cages with the animals.

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Cindy

4:15 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

As a professional dog trainer, I am appalled that this has been allowed to go on. No reputable breeder would ever force young puppies to endure the heat, noise and frightening environment that this man has. I am frequently called in to help with young dogs that have had puppy-mill type starts, and suffer extreme behavioral issues, as well as health issues. A puppy purchase should never be a spur-of-the moment thing. Responsible dog ownership starts well before purchase.

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Monica Sanchez

8:46 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

I am sorry to say, you are wrong about that. I purchased a wiemie from a breeder who had them in running cages in the yard. THere was a shelter for them to get relief from the sun, but they were outside in FLorida. THe dogs didn't seem to be affected by the heat, neither did the vet when I brought the puppy in. He too agreed animals do not have the same skin as humans. As long as there is sufficient water, they are fine.

Sabra Steele

5:43 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

If there is such a huge pet population in this county then why is the Pinellas HS importing dogs from other states? Not only is the HS importing them but they are also importing them illegally ie without the proper health certs. It seems to be that by shutting this man down you would be eliminating competition for the local HS, rescues and shelters. You have to wonder if the elimination of competition is the real reason they want to shut this man down.

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Billie lambert

10:09 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

Seriously thats your thoughts!!

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D.j. Palumbo

9:08 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

you obviously have not a clue.....the focus here is the abuse of the animal there is no competition...... we have an overpopulation problem of finding pets homes. we cant even give animals away free.... there are 45 dogs & every cat to every one person &500-800 cats/dogs get put down each month because they are homeless. these are the facts.... look at all the rescues on Facebook and on the internet. the pleas every night to save an animal for euthanasia....these are the people commenting here on the abuse this guy is inflicting by subjecting them to such heat. today ot was 92 felt like 102 with the blazing sun. Have you been to wagon wheel? i suggest you do go & see how hot it is there. I dont go in the summer because i cant take the heat so imagine a animal with fur. put a sweater on & walk around there see how long you can take it.....some one has to be a voice for the animals...

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Jerry

10:21 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

to sabra steele: they are not importing dogs those are rescues, you moron, it's people like you that allow puppy mills & flea market sellers to exist

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Stop Peticide NOW!

1:24 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

The "reason" HSP is importing dogs fr: elsewhere is becuase they have become (admittedly no less) a "consignment shop" of homeless pets and have abandoned those masses who are less desired by the general public as "adoptable" in their "inventory". I'm not kidding. They won't "pull" one's off of death row here who may not "move" as quickly due to market demands for particular sizes, colors, shapes and will get dogs fr: elsewhere instead. If you don't think there's a pet overpopulation problem ... just look at the County stats of the 10,000 we taxpayers pay to kill annually. Most of which are highly social "adoptable" animals w/ "no place to go but death row". HSP calls their importing while we kill thousands locally a "Win/Win" as their "stats" look great by opting for adopting via the consignment shop route instead of solving anything in our midst (i.e. not stopping the problems).
I can tell you 'why' because I deal w/ dogs (+ cats) they refuse to accept so I asked them "WHY" directly instead of asking a post (supposedly rhetorically) on The Patch.

D.j. Palumbo

2:31 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

its too hot for people can u imagine having fur on? this is cruelty and not so sure he not breeding if he seems to always have puppies.

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Tammy

2:58 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

I have pictures that clearly shows NO AIR CONDITIONING unit was being used that day ,It was fans blowing over a frozen water bottle..And yes the shih-tzu pups where in another area Clearly stated in original photo..After they were confronted angerly and the pictures hit the internet, that same afternoon , Floods of complaints went to wagon wheel flea market ..That following day They heard about it I know because it changed TO A REAL AIR CONDITIONING under the plastic,,Whaahoo Improvement ONLY because of an outpor of complaints..Not in any way shape or form do I believe they suddenly had an epiphany and decided airconditioning would be better for the pups the next day..And as far as the Jerk claiming to be a savior and RESCUING these animals these are animal venders they will say anything to make it sound good..He does it for money NOT anything else,period..there's no love for the animal, what person do you know thats in the animal rescue/savior world that didn't have at least 1 friend to take in a puppy tied to a door for THREE DAYS..Hello ..The nonsense I'm reading in some of these comments giving that idiot cudo's and Covering for the other etc tells me how lucrative it must be, they will go to any bounds to protect it.."Wow "How do you sleep at night???I know I will a little more comfortably knowing this has been exposed w/ the kind of people that operate these stands and hopefully now these animals might have a chance of being taken out of harms way..

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GOOD BREEDER

9:02 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

OF COURSE YOUR PICTURES ARENT GOING TO SHOW THE AIR CONDITIONER.THE AIR CONDITIONER SITS BEHIND THE CAGES WERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT UNLESS YOU GO BEHIND THE CAGES.ONLY A SICK PERSON LIKE YOU WOULD EVEN THINK THAT SOMEONE WAS PUTTING PLASTIC ON THEIR DOG CAGES IN THE HEAT OF SUMMER TO SMOTHER THEM.OF COURSE YOU STUCK YOUR NOSE IN SOMEONE ELSES BUSINESS BEFORE YOUE REALLY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON.THE AIR CONDITIONER HAS BEEN OUT THERE EVER SINCE IT STARTED GETTING HOT.WHICH CAN BE PROVED BUT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE TO A BUSY BODY LIKE YOU.BEFORE THE PLASTIC WAS USED THERE WAS A SHEET USED BUT IT WAS LETTING OUT TO MUCH OF THE AIR.AGAIN YOU NEED TO CHECK THE FACTS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH.OH YEA AND THE WINTER THERE IS A HEATER JUST IN CASE YOU START RUMORS ABOUT THAT.

Belinda Blease

6:41 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

bottom line as well, pet over population!! the only reason these morons are breeding is for money! SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PETS. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH HOMES FOR THEM ALL!

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Monica Sanchez

8:53 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

That was such an unfortunate incident. SOme sick buyer changed their mind about the puppy purchase and dropped the dog off at his patio with a note. He was out of town, a neighbor called animal control. These facts came directly from the state. They obtained proof of his out of town status. All of his other dogs were properly attended to. Very sad to see how the public twists the facts.

Elizabeth O

7:28 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

Funny he has an answer for each cruelty charge! I volunteer at 2 rescues in the area and you can buy healthy pups from Pinellas Co Animal Services that include everything for as low as $25 because of the overpopulation! No one should be buying from this guy or any other 'breeder' until more homeless dogs have homes! And he is an opportunist that got arrested so NO he should not be allowed to abuse animals at the flea market!

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Tina Marie

8:40 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

Cruelty is cruelty and I don't buy any of his defenses. If he was that "good" of a guy, a concerned neighbor would have taken the dog in. He has a good scam running in selling unvaccinated Heinz 57 mutts to the ignorant public as "Designer" dogs.

I too have witnessed these puppies in distress at the Wagon Wheel Flea Market. IMO this man is contributing to the pet overpopulation. Has anyone addressed the turtles, chicks, ducks and other small animals being kept in plastic storage tubs overcrowded on top of each other in the sweltering heat, literally crawling over the carcasses of those who couldn't handle the conditions!?

There are many rescues who work tirelessly to cleanup the mistakes people make in impulse buying animals, refuse to spay/neuter or even vaccinate which results in disaster, disease and more animals being dumped into shelters, dog fighting or the side of the road.

There is a VERY GOOD REASON so many other states have woken up and BANNED the sales of animals at outdoor markets and the like. It's a shame that Floriduh turns a blind eye to obvious cruelty in the name of the almighty dollar.

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Billie lambert

9:58 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

We have a major over-population problem with animals in the state of Florida. We euthanize hundreds of beautiful dogs everyday. Rescuing animals from people that have "too many" and selling them at a flea market is not a "problem solver" as Mr. Pelletier states. If Mr Pelletier truly wanted to be a part of "problem solving" he would take these animals and find loving homes for them. To take them to a dirty overheated flea market in Pinellas Park and I believe in Tampa also is not what someone that cares about animals does. Although I don't think I Mr. Pelletier has ever mentioned "caring" in any of his statements. He does state "I could buy dogs from Puppy Mills" thats just an asinine, ignorant statement. Is that supposed to make you a better guy because you buy from a private party, either way you are contributing to breeding! Don't tell me these people you buy from are not back yard breeders making a buck off you so you could in turn make a buck (excuse me, a few hundred bucks) at the flea market. Wake up Mr. Pelletier we see people like you everyday. We will shut you down! SOUND FAMILIAR! How dare you say "you are helping".

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Pam Burns

10:21 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

I am assuming that there are veterinary certificates provided (as required by law) to the "purchasers" and I would love to know what he does with the puppies that are not adopted and need their next sets of vaccinations and rabies (that is an extra cost to him) and what type of socialization they are getting. And of course, I have no idea why people would buy from a flea market, instead of from a shelter and for prices in the hundreds of dollars.

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Sheila Leagas

11:29 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

People go to flea markets to purchase anything from clothing to fruit and veg to kids toys. Buying a puppy is a huge 10-15 year commitment that needs much thought and planning before the purchase. The public buy these poor puppies on a whim, cos they are cute. 8 out of 10 of these puppies will not be spayed or neutered and will be abandoned at the animal services adding to the huge overpopulation in Florida. This guy selling these puppies at flea markets is obviously purchasing the puppies from puppy mill type set ups, he's keeping them in business and encouraging them to breed more puppies so he can make money off selling them. He is adding to the problem of the over population of dogs. He doesn't care if many end up been put to sleep. Unfortunately dogs and cats are treated as a disposable products by many, not a life long companion of upto 15 years. Animals should not be sold at flea markets and should not be forced in cages in the heat without proper air conditioning food and water and displayed as a cute toy. Please stop this practice at all open air markets.

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L Sap

8:17 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

As a former animal rescuer, I can say that the pet overpopulation is a scare tactic to stop people from breeding their dogs. Dogs go to shelters because of behavior or owner ignorance not because there are too many dogs. At one point there were so few dogs that were suitable for adoption that rescuers were getting dogs from other states. I'm not sure why overpopulation would be a relevant reason to stop these people form selling dogs since this guy stated that he gets his dogs from local irresponsible people who didn't want them. I don't agree with neglecting animals but if he is providing care for them then why is it an issue? Pet shops have been around for many years. What about the puppy stores who do buy their puppies from mills? I would protest those places since they are fueling animal cruelty. Instead of banning the sale of animals, I feel that there should be more regulations such as all puppies be spayed/neutered along with a health certificate. The spaying/neutering is not just to prevent breeding but it helps with behavioral issues that can arise that would cause the dog's new owners to dump them at a shelter. Our shelters are not full because of a person selling puppies at a flea market. They are full because people buy puppies and then do nothing as far as training so they end up with a dog that wrecks their house, is not house trained or bites visitors. Maybe people selling puppies should find good dog trainers to recommend to buyers.

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Jerry

10:37 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

sap !! not a coincidence. I also know why you might be a former rescuer too, if you don't believe that there is a over population of dogs & cats then you are sadly mistaken just take a stroll through any local shelter I don't care why they are there, there's still too many of them there, it's because of overbreeding & lack of spaying & neutering of these poor animals & yes there are stupid people who purchase a dog & expect it to behave without any thought to training or discipline & when they don't lets just take it to the shelter but there is still a major problem of overbreeding. spay & neuter your pets Please !!!!

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Billie lambert

5:35 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

You obviously have been out of the animal world for quite some time if you think we don't have a problem with over population. What city state town or country do you live in. The only thing you said that made any sense is about spaying and neutering your animals. Puppy mills , pet shops and selling animals on street corners is disgusting in a world where 1000's of animals are put to death daily. The only thing pet stores do are support puppy mills the only thing people who sell animals at a flea market are doing is promoting back yard breeders. And they both contribute to more death for the animals that are in shelters. Take a walk thru any shelter, there are puppies only days old being euthanized, old dogs that are dumped because, well they got old! Well behaved dogs because someone got tired of owning a dog. We need to help end this huge problem of death and over population in our animal world. Supporting breeders, pet stores, puppy mills and people who claim that selling dogs at a flea market is helping is not helping to solve the problem! Unfortunately overpopulation is not a scare tactic as you state. Who are we trying to scare!

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Stop Peticide NOW!

10:32 am on Monday, September 3, 2012

Attn: all cult-following pet overpopulation "myth"-ers: Consider the source. Why do the breeder LOVE the mytho of the "myth" and why's Winograd in bed w/ them? Why have you not studied YOURSELVES and been brainwashed? : We've all read by now the various arguments about the "myth of pet overpopulation" that first surfaced in Nathan Winograd's 2007 release of Redemption. The Myth of Pet Overpopulation did not originate with the release of Redemption but was first circulated in a book written by Patti and Rod Strand fourteen years earlier in a book called "The Hijacking of the Humane Movement Animal Extremism." (1993) Author: Patti Strand, Rod Strand
Patti Strand is a long time Board Member of the American Kennel Club who chaired the infamous "High Volume Breeders Committee" in November of 2002 as the AKC struggled with finding ways to increase litter registrations by recruiting "High Volume Breeders" to join the ranks.
Strand is also the founder and president of the National Animal Interest Alliance a political action group that represents and protects the legal interests of a diverse "animal use" groups including commercial breeders (puppy mills), furriers, hunters animals "used" for research. The National Animal Interest Alliance (NAIA) that was founded in 1991. According to their mission statement the NAIA "supports the responsible and humane use of animals for food, clothing, medical research, companionship, assistance, recreation, entertainment and education.".

Elizabeth O

9:36 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

OK L Sap, I agree with some of what you have to say like ' I feel that there should be more regulations such as all puppies be spayed/neutered along with a health certificate.". So do you think this animal abuser does that? Ummm NO! Don't point to other places we all need to worry about, we do! Doesn't mean we ignore someone putting dogs in horrible conditions like this. It is not either or....

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SW Largo Watch/Cleanup

7:18 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Reposted from a comment on Facebook:

Sandi: I used to own a booth at a flea market & let me tell you, the heat was unbearable. I wore shorts & t shirts & even that was too much clothing to stay cool. I had fans all around me, but they just brought in HOT air. I, as a HUMAN, I could do something if I were thirsty. I always had tons of COLD drinks & snack & food. I could take care of myself. & still it was so hot I would feel weak & think I might be having a heat stroke. HOW IN THE WORLD could a puppy survive that heat without some sort of weakness ? They can't Get water for themselves if they were thirsty & NOT COLD WATER, "WARM" water, if any at all. Can they just grab a snack or food if they are hungry ? NO !!!!!! They are depending on their (owners ???) SELLERS to do this for them. ALSO, they cant say, "its so hot, I wanna go home". They are stuck there until their "selfish" human in care decides its time to leave. (Waiting to get enough money for the day) If this guy has a store, why put these dogs thru all this just for more bucks ??? Makes you wonder how they treat them at the store...... Just Sayin....

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David Bichai

1:12 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

This is animal cruelty. Don't breed or buy while shelter's animals die!

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Elizabeth O

1:40 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Really GOOD BREEDER? Are you the piece of crap out there selling dogs? GET A FREAKIN REAL JOB and quit relying on innocent animals to pay for your cigarettes and beer or pay for your legal bills for getting busted for animal cruelty! Noticed your sorry ass wasn't there this weekend...we will be there every weekend watching you!

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Stop Peticide NOW!

9:08 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

OMGoodness people.... this guy admittedly does NOT have to buy fr: breeders and resell puppies as there's sooooooooo many "accidental" & "unintended" littered litters ripe for the picking. Need to stop the source via Spay/Neuter mandades for
all but licensed breeders then hold "adoption events" fr: Animal Services at the Flea Market instead. Since it's hard to get potential owners to Animal Services then take the animals to potential adopters. That'll save taxpayers fr: having to afford to kill and dispose of the excessive excesses while this maggot makes a mint off of the .problem instead of helping to solve it. He's opportunistic but "animal lovers" who won't stop the senseless killling required by overpopulation of the "undesireable" companion animals (en masse what's exterminated) need to take responsibility for not voting for REAL change to save lives of the innocent quadruped creatures (& taxpayer $'s while other public goods/services are being cut- AGAIN). See FaceBook page "Stop Peticide NOW!" and put this guy out of business due to lack of readily availble living "inventory" of which irresposbible people are anxious to get rid.

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Monica Sanchez

8:38 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

No, he is finding homes for pets who are unwanted by their owners. I would say he is helping the matter. I respect your opinion, and agree there should be more control over unnecessary breeding though. But, my opinion is he is not the problem, he is helping to reduce the abandoned dog issue. Many of these pups would have ended up at the pound or worse.

Monica Sanchez

8:25 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

I work for a vendor at the Wagon Wheel Flea Market, where this particular man shown sells puppies. Being an animal lover, I visit the puppies on my breaks, just to get a fill of puppy love. I make sure the water and ventilation is checked when I play with the puppies. I have watched this vendor take the puppies to the side to rinse them off with water when they get dirty, and constantly fill the water. I also have witnessed the office of the flea market at their booth regularly. The market does inspections of each pet vendor, checking on sufficient water and conditions. Trust me, i would say something to the market if i felt these puppies were being mistreated or neglected. Just to clarify, these are not puppy mills. This vendor places advertisements asking for unwanted puppies, or overpopulated homes with puppies. He is giving them a better chance at finding a home with owners who truly care for them. As for the vendor with the A/C on the puppies, she has always put her puppies well being before profit. The plastic around the sides of the cage is to keep the cool air in the cage. I think some of the fanatics of this subject get a little carried away with the need to have a cause. They seem to ignite a frenzy amoung the activist community. Most have not even done proper research on the subject. For one, animal hair is not like wearing a fur coat, that is just ignorance talking. Do you not go in the heat because your long hair makes your head hot? Just nonsense

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Monica Sanchez

8:33 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

The long and short of it is, there is nothing wrong with selling puppies at a flea market. It's been done for centuries, animal control has checked on them regularly. I live in Florida and see many neighbors with outdoor pets. As long as they have shelter from the sun, enough food & water, they are fine. You can't compare our heat limitations to that of an animal. Do your research, find another topic to fight over. THere are more animal neglect and abuse cases then ever. Use your energy to help this cause, work at getting some of these abused and abandoned animals adopted. You are wasting your time on this market, there is no abuse here. Please focus on helping animals who truly are abused.

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D.j. Palumbo

1:05 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

as humans we can pin up our hair or make the choice to leave somewhere that is too hot the animals can not. warnings all over the radio & tv to make sure pets do not dehydrate. keep them indoors. I understand you think this man is thinking he is trying to help but hes just trying to make money.. if he gave a shit for the animals he would be doing what we animal protectors do every day, try to find proper forever homes for the animals and most of us do it for free. so why dont you educate us since you know so much on the subject tell us are these animals fixed ? are updated on shots? any health issues? & how does he determine whom he should sell them to? couldbe selling them to anybody including those who may want to abuse animals,, does he licensed them, does he educate the buyer on a new pet? here is another the problem most of these will end back up in shelters.

whinnie

9:43 am on Monday, September 3, 2012

I just met this nice man September 2012 on a Sunday...he was very nice and the puppies looked great...they had healthy clean coats no discharge from eyes nose mouth ears..nothing..and they were all a very healthy weight. I was a vet tech for years and have always worked with animals he's doing a great job..im going to go check out his store to find a friend for my cairn poo. Id buy from him before i bought from any Petland or crap puppy mill chain store.

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Stop Peticide NOW!

10:22 am on Monday, September 3, 2012

Well Whinnie... why not go to Petfinder.com instead of his "store" to find a friend for your precious little "cairn poo". This guy is perpetuating the lack of accountability for the public to backyard breed indiscriminantly while we as taxpayers kill the rest while losing public goods & services in order to fund the destruction of other innocent puppies that are just as capable of being a buddy to your "poo". Animal Services should have their adoption events at the Flea Market as apparently that's where society "shops" for live littered litters. This is O.K. w/ you in the BIG :PICTURE in a supposedly civilized society? Do you even want to SEE the BIG PICTURE past the view of your little "poo"? I don't het the sense you do as long as your prcious "poo" is a reflection upon YOU. Check Petfinder.com and I dare you not to fall in love with something that has "no place to go but death row" can search by breed and age and area. There's no excuse to not be part of the solution (IF you care about the pet overpopulation problems and enjoy paying for the killing en masse while we close libraries and lay-off police officers due to lack of funding for public protection),

Elizabeth O

11:41 am on Monday, September 3, 2012

Well said SRN! There is NO EXCUSE to EVER buy a pet! I volunteer at animal services and help other rescues, so Whinnie go put some time in around homeless animals that sit in cages for months or the ones that have 5 days to get a home or they die. But they may not be 'designer' enough for you, but I will bet Poo would not care and would love them anyway. If only people were more like dogs! So yes, walk though Animal Services, Pet Pal, the Humane Society, etc. and see if any are good enough for you. And we are so happy you are thrilled with a person charged with animal cruelty. Because you talk to someone for 5 min. doesn't mean they are actually 'nice'. He saw dollar signs, how did you expect him to act?

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Stop Peticide NOW!

1:32 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Thanks Elizabeth O. Please see FB Page "Stop Peticide NOW!" - I think you'd "Like" it. Thanks also for your volunteering. If more people got their self-worth by actually DOING SOMETHING! vs. buying a dog to compensate for their lack of self-esteem this world would be a better place (for all creatures). Moreover, they'd have to see the truth fr: the inside and wouldn't have to post such ignorant & defensive B.S. re: what should be obvious rights/wrongs in our midst. I'm embarrassed by their lack of insight and compassion and millions of companion animals continue to die (at our expense literally w/ taxpayer $'s going 'up in smoke' via the crematorium) as a result.

Elizabeth O

8:52 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

I am on your FB page already, I have friends very involved in Mandatory Spay/Neuter and Trap and Release :-). Yes before anyone buys an animal they should have to volunteer at a shelter. The reason so many are there to begin with is greedy breeders like this guy and so many others, as well as irresponsible pet owners not fixing their pets. But if no one bought from breeders, they would stop breeding and selling them, plain and simple! And I want so say thank you to the Humane Society of Pinellas, who took TEN dogs from Pinellas Co Animal Services since we were so full. And many were older and pit mixes, so I am getting a bit tired of the importing stuff. It was in the paper a while back but they also just took some of the almost 700 Caboodle ranch cats and got hundreds of them homes. They PERSONALLY rescued a Pitbull from an organization that was days away from being euthanized and they stepped forward when no other 501 3c did. No organization is perfect but they have helped us out more lately than anyone, we can not thank them enough!

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Stop Peticide NOW!

6:09 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Except... re: HSP, do you know how many cats ended up at Caboodle Ranch due to the fact that HSP (and others) wouldn't take them to begin with? Some post-TNR situation cats are too tame to re-release (or have other predicaments i.e. they'll be coyote bait as soon as turned loose or people have already avowed cruetly if they're put back, etc.) . Many times we come across abandoned cats (far fr: feral). I've personannly begged people at HSP to take them in to no avail (they finally agreed once on Jan. 9th and offered to take it in April - huh?). I know people personally who transported cats to Caboodle Ranch as a last resort and NOW HSP is the hero? If the national ASPCA hadn't asked them to step up they wouldn't have to save face. I have several Caboodle bound cats (knew it was too good to be true) and now i wish I took them. long roundabout way to get them into HSP's auspices but would've worked in the long run (apparently). How many of their rejected cats to you feed + care for daily and pay vet bills for? How many dogs are at your house becuase HSP (and others) wouldn't take them and PCAS was NOT an option you'd consider? They're trying to save face now due to bad press and per the new PAAC formed. I know them well... (I know all the area "shelters" well and if they had been solving problems the animals wouldn't be in such peril. I don't say this lightly (or without substantial proof and knowledge and I do wish I could say something more positive).

Elizabeth O

6:47 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

I really am not going to get into a discussion about what HSP did with you, I can only talk about what I know personally and before the new management got there, I got turned down every time I asked for help. Now they helped me in the past month 3 times alone. Maybe you can give them another chance. Like I said they were the ONLY 501 3c that stepped up for me with Diamond and she is in a happy home now. Like I said, no shelter is easy to run or perfect but I feel, no I KNOW the people I have worked with there recently care.

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Stop Peticide NOW!

5:43 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012

Good to know! perhaps w/ all that's occured (w/in their organization) and w/ the new PAAC - they've had a change of practice/policy. I'm tickled to hear the you (who too had previous lack of success w/ HSP) have as of late received assistance! I'm all for that and relieved to hear. Wish they'd be more vocal at the meetings, etc. but now if
they're getting more involved in actually problem resolution, they'll have more to say re: problems that need to be solved. I'm aware who Diamond is and glad they got her! I know several people in significant positions there and am anxious to give them another chance. Thanks for the FYI and I look forward to their working for animals here (as well as everywhere else they can too). I couldn't be more pleased than to have a positive report about them for a change! Whew, it's a start and I'll take it!

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Elizabeth O

8:37 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012

Great! They are open to your opinion. Talk to Sarah at the next event, she has been wonderful and very helpful whenever asked and like I said even volunteered to help Diamond when no one else stepped up :-). Keep up the good work, we will keep spreading your message as well :-)

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Pam V

12:41 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012

I'm reading all these posts... The point here is .. IS HE A REGISTERED RESCUE? doesn't appear to be.. therefore needs a legitimate Health Certificate (not a copy from online).. Is he having the pups spayed/neutered before placement .. NO.. Is he making people accountable to having it done? NO he could care less.... He's just selling dogs and making more issues for the pet over population issues... If he's not a rescue and being responsible then he needs to be sure to have legitimate HC from a VET (with a number to call the vet) AND he needs to show proof of Filing taxes on all this money he's making.. I'm sure the IRS has no idea he's making money off these poor animals....

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