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Obamacare Flip-Flop: Do You Agree with Rick Scott?

He said he wouldn't, but he did. Gov. Rick Scott announced Wednesday, Feb. 20, that Florida would expand its Medicaid program.

 

Florida’s Medicaid program is about to get bigger – a lot bigger.

In a flip-flop from a previous decision, Gov. Rick Scott has acquiesced to expanding the state’s Medicaid program to provide coverage for an estimated 1.3 million more people. The expansion is a major prong in the Obamacare program that kicks into effect in 2014, according to The Huffington Post.

Scott has been an outspoken opponent of Obamacare in the past. His disdain for the concept of government-backed universal healthcare coverage even prompted him to dip into his own fortune. He spent about $5 million of his own cash to prevent President Barack Obama’s healthcare reform legislation from being passed in the first place.

Once it did pass – and he became governor – Scott continued his anti-Obamacare stance. He’s been quoted on numerous occasions saying that Florida wouldn’t expand its Medicaid rolls to take part.

All that changed Wednesday, Feb. 20, when Scott announced his new stance.

"I want every Floridian to have access to high-quality health care they can afford," The Huffington Post quoted Scott as saying.

Under the plan, Medicaid coverage would be open to Floridians who earn up to 133 percent of the poverty level. That amounts to $15,282 for a single person, the Post reported. The increase in costs will be covered by the federal government from 2014-2016. After that, the state will start picking up some of the costs.

To make the expansion happen, the state is going to have to spend about $5.4 billion through 2022. It will get $66.1 billion from the federal government for taking part, according to the Post.

What do you think changed Gov. Scott’s mind? Do you think he was right? Or, should he have stood his anti-Obamacare ground? Share your thoughts in the comments section below.

About this column: What's Tampa Bay Saying is an occasional column that features local, state or national news that we want to get the entire region's take on. These stories are posted on the various local Patch sites throughout Tampa Bay. That way, you can see what your neighbors think, as well as some of the different opinions that make each part of Tampa Bay so unique. We'll follow each column with a roundup of the very best local comments on our individual Patch sites so you can see exactly what readers in your community had to say about a particular topic. Related Topics: Medicaid, medicaid expansion, obamacare, and rick scott

Pete Mestuka

2:30 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Yes, I agree Florida should expand the Medicaid program. However, the only reason Governor Scott has flip-flopped is his desire for votes in the next election. Were it not for his aspirations of re-election, he would never have adopted this stance.

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ptb

2:51 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

hes only trying to win back voters he already alienated . Aint gonna work , we're done with him.

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Steve B.

3:22 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

It'll work. It's not going to cost Fla a dime while Scott is Governor. Come 2016 and the Obama reign is done, hopefully so will Obama Care. The House may survive and will STOP Obama from turning us into a socialist society. So let Obama spend more of OUR money on the State of Florida, money we don't have, but who cares. Florida isn't losing out as the Federal Government is going to provide the extra costs of medicaid. Take it whie you can as long as Obama is giving it away why not take it. Florida will worry about 2016 in 2016, if there's reason to worry. Things may get fixed or by then will be completely out of control by then and it won't even matter. Smart move by Scott, he's got nothing to lose and it still needs to be approved by the lawmakers anyway.

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Lori

3:32 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

PTB and Steve B so right..

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Walk for a Change

5:58 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Steve B why are you so against anything social? Are you antisocial? Do you socialize or stay deep in the suburbs in your home isolated from other people?

I advise you to learn what it means to be social. What it means to have social programs. Think for yourself. Stop typing on this site what you have been fed by corporate CEO's. It's not intelligent.

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Louis Amandola

6:30 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

With that point of view, why didn't he except the "FREE" 20 BIL for transportation which would have created some good paying jobs in Florida? (Let me think a minute.........) Oh! It was too early for him to think of re election. Plus his agenda has been in health care where he has stolen, OOPS! made all his money.

Con Nicholas

3:34 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Good move by a man desperate for re-election. It's amazing how this ex-Tea Party darling has flip-flopped (education funding, voting procedures, now health care). He's gotten a taste of politics and will now sell his soul to be returned to the governor's mansion.

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Robert "Bobby" Saltzman

3:42 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Mr One and Done is desparate to make it look like he "cares"..what compassion after his reign of terror he suddenly has come to his senses???....NOT he knows dang well the TEA Legislature will never pass it...he will be so dissappinted....BRB got to open the window and let the pigs fly out....

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Max Corley

4:02 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Governor Scott blew it. He's making the classic mistake of buying a baby elephant--the Feds will pick up the huge increase in the Medicare tab for the first three years; eventually, as the costs mount to the skies, it will become another in a long line of underfunded mandates that the taxpayers of this state will have to pay for. The Gov thinks he's being smart by negotiating an opt out clause but, as the WSJ pointed out today, there are several ways in which the Feds can override a states' desirre to back out of an agreement once it becomes apparent that a bad deal was made. Politically it's a lose-lose for the Gov; he has now alienated the Tea Party, and will lose voters from the right, while the left won't give him credit for his change--they've already decided to vote him out and this won't change their minds. He'll get no credit and all the blame when this thing blows up. Have to hand it to Obama; he's getting the camel's nose under the tent in more and more Red states, taking advantage of the typical politician's lust for re-election. I guess my biggest disappointment is that I thought Scott was different; now I see that he's just another career politician. Charlie Crist must be licking his chops.....

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Michael D.

4:51 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Though I think the AffordableHealthCare Act is a poorly written piece of legislature. I do enjoy seeing all the people who haven't truly read it and only listen to the talking heads talk about it and call it Obamacare. When Romeny did more to write this bill than Obama did. Obamacare is what a lobbyst for the healthcare industry called it before it even was starting to be written, in a journal. Then Romney used it to campaign on starting in 2007 (shows how easily led we are). It just shows again the actual knowledge of the people who are voting. They don't blame the Republican Majority in Congress who passed the bill, or the Republican Senate that also passed the bill. Or Supreme Court who said it was legal. But only 1/3 of the broken process, because of the talking heads that told them who to blame. Not Dingel, Rangel, Waxman, Miller, Stark, Pallone Jr. or Andrews... aka the actual people who presented the bill. Or their staffs and lobbysts who wrote the bill. Nooooo... that would be too factually accurate to do that. But I know it's easier to listen to the talking heads, who are stealling your money and telling you who to hate and how to feel. How is this for a novel idea, actually pick up the 2000 page bill, actually take a look at what is inside. Most people complaining about the bill, are complaining about things that aren't in the bill.
As far as Scott, as I've said before Not the best and not the worst. Just another Politican.

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Louis Amandola

5:34 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Thankyou Michael D.........I would add that, at some point in time something would have had to be done within our healthcare system to eleviate the drain of monies paid by the feds for 'all' those without paid up care. In one form or another we have all been paying for it through unrealized taxation. For much too long, employers have shed the burden of health care for their employees, knowing full well that under emergency conditions the cost would ultimately be passed on to the consumer. "The taxpayer" The system being put in place is far from perfect but, it should help to equalize the input versus output. Most especially, it should (I hope) curtail the underground world of "pay under the table"

Grider

5:12 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

You know, I am glad this is happening so people can get healthy- I have great ins., but know way too many hard working folks who do not have the benefits and they suffer, physically emotionally etc. you cold-hearted people who only think about money-- God is waiting for you, and you can't buy Him off,,,.... as far as expense, sick people do not work, or pay taxes and need to be taken care of, fed and housed, and sometimes even at higher costs as they let illness get way out of hand,, so guess what?? your taxes still paying for it, and not to mention the bankruptcies and foreclosures of folks who got ill and lost all. ADD the costs, you simply are mean and want folks to SUFFER,,, children too. Think of how many teens take care of sick parents, how many single moms carry the kids and the old people too, just stop,,, taxes are NOT only for your benefit. best think how much money you think you will take with you. when it is your time.

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Tommy Frain

10:36 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I don't think it is a question of whether people should be helped or not, but rather how. In today's society, we take people's tax money by force and coercion to help pay for another person's ailments. But in the past before Johnson's "Great Society" people were not dying on the streets daily. There were Catholic hospitals and many more charitable organizations who never turned people away for lack of funds. In this system of government managed care, we have watched prices rise, quality decrease, and supply decrease. To make it philosophical and say people against managed government healthcare are against poor people is not true and looks too narrowly at a complex subject of government force, intrusion, and role in our every day lives. Should government force goodness out of people's wallets, and if it does, does it make us better as a people overall? I think if left to individuals, we would see much more charity and care towards our fellow man, so not everyone thinks as long as they pay taxes they are "doing their part."

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Phil Ryan

10:37 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

They don't care grider... this is the "I've got mine" crowd.... these are the people who call themselves Christians.... they're selfish and stupid and heartless. Every single last one of them. And the sad thing about it is the majority who wail and bitch and moan about this are retirees who have their Medicare and they're just scared something is going to be taken away from them. That is the problem with Florida. They ship the racist oiks from up North down south and then they don't wanna pay for anything. And then join up with the racist fools who already live here who also don't want to pay for anything.

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Patriot

2:24 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Tommy Frain: Great comments! A society based on moral and ethical obligation to help others, can only be available by choice...to legislate by force, is tyranny!

dave

6:16 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

charlie christ all over, good luck scott

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guillermo

7:04 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Do you mean Obama dont'care? or whocares? as far I see 11 Million more un-documented ilegal inmigrants plus once they get their citizenshp will be another 44 million more in line for the Obama care or he dosn't care. sorry my math

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Tommy Frain

10:02 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I wish Rick Scott could actually have real convictions and opinions instead of flipping to win an election. Scott should've stood with a lot of the other states fighting Obamacare on 10th amendment grounds. We all want to make sure people get cared for, it's how we go about it.

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bill

10:26 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Nothing this governor does surprises me. He only is concerned with staying in the governors mansion and will break promises to stay there.

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Phil Ryan

10:34 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Stupid people, racist people.... just what Florida is famous for. This deal that Scott wants to take is a GOOD DEAL for Florida. You hate Obamacare but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you have no clue what is in it.... You completely IGNORE that the CBO says this law will save money... Stupid, ignorant people all.... teabaggers all, know-nothings all.

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Tommy Frain

10:46 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

It is not about money, it is about the role of government in our everyday lives. As an Economics graduate, I can tell you first hand government involvement in healthcare (or really anything else including education) causes prices to rise, and quality to go down. We end up having excess demand for a product or service, in this case healthcare, and in the end we are all left hung out to dry. I advocate charitable organizations take control again of the healthcare system. Before Johnson's "Great Society" folks were not dying in the streets, charity hospitals cared for EVERYONE and healthcare was much more affordable at that time. These bills tug at your heart strings because you want everyone to receive healthcare, but in the end less people get care at a higher price.

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Patriot

2:35 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Phil Ryan.....R U NUTZ? "CBO" says it will save money? I must of missed that episode of Cobert, cause I have never heard that. Not that is matters to me. The fact of the matter is intrusion by government into our lives is not welcome. I know of no time when government brings efficiency to anything......look at our education system, my God, we turn out some of the lowest scoring adults on the planet. But look at what the school system did prior to the Department of Education. Fact of the matter is OBAMAcare has little to do with healthcare, and more to do with control!

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Michael D.

8:57 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Patriot,
The Bill can very well be about control, but it also can be about reducing costs. I do not agree with the Affordable Healthcare Act as it is written. But the portion of it reducing costs is fairly accurate. It done as the bill says it will cause an industry organizational shift which is sorely needed in the medical industry. But the problem I have with it, is the control and records aspect.

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Patriot

10:24 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Michael D. I am now wondering if you have read the OBAMAcare bill....As there have been many doctors to openly argue against it....several have closed their practice. My own doctor has told me it is a very bad bill. That said, maybe you should read this http://www.newswithviews.com/Roth/laurie364.htm from Dr.Laurie Roth, here is a sample for you... "This week I gasped in horror when I learned that Obama care had ordered Medicare to cut reimbursement for 4 million diabetic seniors by 66%. It also reduced all the companies that were supplying blood sugar monitoring supplies from 1000 to 15. I also learned via the research of Elizabeth Vliet M.D. that one of her 80 year old patients was told he was not covered anymore by Medicare when he went to the pharmacy so couldn’t get his medication. His choice was to pay cash or die." ~ Dr. Lauri Roth, and this is just from doctor, I can post hundreds more that are similar. But my favorite is from Obama himself when asked if an elderly woman that needs an expensive treatment for an illness, and Obama replies, we would do well to make her comfortable and use the money for a more viable patient. That is all telling what is going to happen.....since when should government have the right to determine the peoples fate????

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Michael D.

11:38 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Patiot,
Not only have I read all 2000 pages, I have talked to lobbysts in the medical industry, medical insurance industry, and doctors/administrators about the very this very document. Not some excerpts from made for media documentation. I'm sure you can post 100's even 1000's of those made for media statements. I prefer to talk to people in the industry that understand the long term ramifications of the document. You know, those trained to look past the initial impact. So Patriot, other than the media have you read the document, talked to people in the industry? Or are you just gauging the impact off the made for media comments?
By the way Patriot it is the Affordable Healthcare Act, not the made for media Obamacare title which the Republican party and media would like you to believe.

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Patriot

12:03 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Michael D. Think you bit off more then you can chew on this one! I did not want to get personal on this, but , my wife is a compliance and ethics officer for a global medical device company. Currently, she is charged with the implementation, and procedural application of healthcare laws. I know more about this monstrosity then so called political hacks you seem to be in bed with! I am beginning to see that you my friend are wielding your own agenda, and your future comments will now be monitored with a more cynical eye by myself. Shame on you!

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Michael D.

1:58 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Patriot,
I appreciate her position. But I'm just saying what the data shows. I feel it is as bad as the Patriot Act when it comes to Records. But the costs in the long term will be lowered, due to the reduction that is needed in the medial adminstrative side both for medical insurers and medical providers. Also the litigation that comes along with it. Costs are the business side, and to look at that. In the long term they will lower, in the short term they are going to rise. Just like Medical insurers have pushing them up with the hysteria that the political groups have been creating.
As feeling that I have an agenda, no agenda. I think this bill should have been shot down in the Supreme Court due to the medical records side of it. My agenda is just the facts, that is all. You want to go with political hacks, I go with they see the system is broken. They are willing outside their profession to give an honest opinion. Something no political party is going to give. But if you feel I have some kind of "political" agenda Patriot as someone I do appreciate on these boards, then you are incorrect. So if you are saying believe what I'm saying, but not what your eyes read. Not want the overall data shows, then Patriot we will have to disagree on the overall effects of this bill.

Rosa Nunez

7:09 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

He's like all Republican First Me, Second Me and Third Me. I agree with a post "only trying to win back voters he already alienated gonna. We do not need another Republican we're done with them

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Mary Satterwhite

7:43 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

I am so glad he is going ahead with it. Our poorer residents need it. I do agree that Scott is only doing it to try to regain the governor's nomination next term. I also think that is why he is courting teachers now.

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JR

8:23 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Phil Ryan- Why are you so full of hate? Is your significant other not offering you any tea bags lately? If we want pro Obama propaganda we'll just tune in Pravda MSNBC like you do to get your "facts". You can regurgitate everything that dingbat Pelosi tells you, I'll take the word of the many healthcare professionals I know who tell me it's a train wreck who's true impact is still not fully known. If the true intent was to insure everyone they could have simply let citizens buy into medicare early four years ago but there was no political victory in that. Instead we get we get a bureaucratic monstrosity which creates many new agencies to control it and makes the IRS probably the worst run government agency as the gatekeepers.

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Steve

9:08 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

It's astonishing how few facts get igonred in this debate. First, Florida was and is shipping tax dollars to Washington--more than it gets back. This is an opportunity to get some additional tax money back and benefit 3.8 million of our poorest citzens, to boot. On the other side of the Flop-Scott decision, people seem to miss that he only flipped when he got a waiver allowing him to--guess what???--PRIVATIZE the entire Florida Medicaid system, new enrollees, old enrollees, and all, shoving them all into HMO's where Republican moguls--just like former-healthcare-owner-Scott--can rake in money from the Feds. Not a single study has shown that these so-called "advantage plans" do anything except build in a layer of profit: no improvement in services; higher cost. The plain fact is that the government-managed portion of Medicare is the cheapest plan when it comes to administrative overhead and costs. Scott got what he wanted: more privatization, more bucks for Republican firms (remember that the Frists, Scott, Romney--ALL made huge money in HMO's dealing with Medicare.

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Steve

11:48 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

I'll defy anyone to find the actual source of the "But my favorite is from Obama himself when asked if an elderly woman that needs an expensive treatment for an illness, and Obama replies, we would do well to make her comfortable and use the money for a more viable patient." Pure fiction.

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Patriot

12:20 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Steve! what do I win? Got to love the LIV people! http://youtu.be/rin4h4cRs6Y However, for precise, and concise explanation of the OBAMAdeathbill. I prefer this http://youtu.be/f19HjjDjbNk By the way LIV = Low Information Voters!

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Steve

1:08 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

You win absolutely nothing for your selective listening. What he said was that care that "isn't going to make anybody's mom better," like "piling on test after test," should be avoided. There was absoultelyl NOTHING there the way it was misquoted in the citation above. Want to try again?

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Patriot

1:26 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Steve, good buddy ole pal....since when is the presidents job to determine who gets treatment, and what treatment they get....do you not see the insanity of this? No president, or any other political hack should ever be granted that power in a FREE REPUBLIC! This is not CHINA! Remember, without government, the people still exist! Without the people, government no longer exist! Translation....WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES! We are the ones with the power, and any political hack that decides that they have the power should be imprisoned!

RD

12:32 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

We're not that stupid and we have long memories. He padded his cronies pockets and screwed the people of Florida for the first 2 years and now he's thinking about re-election and assuming we're stupid. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on the morons who vote for this poor example of a human being twice.

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Gail Perry

12:34 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

He's doing the right thing but only because he's looked at his polls. For instance, he realized he's alienated the 450,000 teachers in the state and that teachers are very likely to vote (esp. next election!) So he's thrown them a bone of a raise. Now he's figured out that *everyone* votes, so "Pink Slip Rick" has turned into "Appeasement Rick." It won't work, because he keeps doing boneheaded things and then trying to mop up afterwards -- and way too late.

He claimed he was going to create 4 million jobs in Florida. Hasn't happened yet, but I certainly know teachers who have been fired for lack of funds, as well as state workers.

How much did he spend on all those junkets overseas that didn't result in any new jobs?

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Jimmy James

12:53 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Hope there's money in there for mental illness.

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JR

12:58 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Gail Perry-
Many of the things you describe were also done by your Messiah Obama but I'm sure you'll never see it that way. Politicians flip flop all the time in fact our President has done it so much his nickname should be Mackerel. Scott can't win with you lefties, you hate him when he does something wrong and hate him even more when he does something right for whatever reason. Do you agree with that ignorant woman on the school board (who makes a lot moe than teachers make) who said the teachers should not accept the $2500 becuase she didn't like the reason he was doing it? Should Scott not expand medicaid because you think he's only doing it for political reasons?

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Patriot

1:28 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Nailed that JR! clap, clap ,clap

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Michael D.

2:00 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

JR,
Scott is a politician, I expect nothing more or nothing less. This new "flip-flop" doesn't raise or lower my opinion of him. I think it is a better course of action, than the Affordable Healthcare Act.

Jimmy James

1:10 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

JR : You're funny....Nevertheless you make a lot of sense.

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Jim S

3:07 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

It's about time he did SOMETHING right! Too little too late to get people to like him though. Now we have to watch out for the tea party fools in Tallahassee to go along with it.

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Cracker

3:18 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Nothing would convince me that Scott has changed his mind because he all of a sudden cares for Florida's poor and medically needy. The real reason is much more in line with where his heart is, ie the millions of dollars that will be lost by his buddies at the state's hospitals. Here's just one article published in a local Palm Beach paper in December:
St. Mary's could lose $11 million in Medicaid payments, industry analysts said.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/florida-hospitals-oppose-gov-scotts-plan-to-cut-me/nL2KS/

"Florida hospitals said Scott's approach will prove devastating -- especially to urban hospitals, including West Palm Beach's St. Mary's Medical Center and Bethesda Hospital in Boynton Beach, which treat many of the state's poorest residents. St. Mary's could lose $11 million in Medicaid payments, industry analysts said. All told, Scott's proposal would slash almost 40 percent of the $5.2 billion in Medicaid payments to Florida hospitals."

Governor Scott does NOT care about the people of Florida unless they own corporations, including so called non-profit hospitals. I will do my very best to make sure that he doesn't get re-elected.

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Steven Sulzer

8:33 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

I see Scott's point of flip flopping since it'll be no cost to the state for the first few years. It's a win win for him since nothing is coming out of the states pocket, and more people will supposedly be covered by the feds. In reality it's a lose lose for everyone in the long run. The federal government is already bankrupt so all we're really doing is dumping more debt on all of us. And what's going to happen in a few years when the state is suppost to start picking up the tab? Do you actually think that's going to happen? Highly doubt it. What we'll probably see is the state dropping the expanded coverage and people losing those additional benefits.

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Dan Pressler

5:01 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

don't forget where the federal money comes from - OUR federal taxes - gov scott is taking money out of our pockets by way of Obama
Have you heard of TANSTAAFL? There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - that applies to EVERY government program

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Steve

5:28 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Florida already receives more than $1.01 for ever $1.00 we send to Washington. This will increase that amount.

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Goin' Commando

7:40 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Oh yeah, we should let all those ugly poor and lower middle class folks go without medical care. Who cares about them, as long as "I've got mine."

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Michael D.

8:57 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Dan,
Where do you believe their healthcare comes from now. But instead of paying to treat the initial symptoms we are paying to treat the full blown illiness.

vlk

7:33 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

I believe Gov. Scott flipped because of the political pressure he was getting from hospitals, however I wish he would have stood his ground and continued to say No. The working citizens of FL will have to pay up, it's just a matter of now or later. Steve B above mentioned that in 2016 Obama will be gone and Obamacare repealed...I truly hope your right, but as of right now it's a 100% chance that we will have to pay it back and that doesn't make me happy.

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Robert Thompson

2:45 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Scott: wants more votes.
Medicaid Managed care: a poor product but better than nothing.
Health care cost in America: Higher per person than any other nation. Life longevity: We are at # 12 or 14.
Affordable Care Act: It is only a start to unraveling the complex mess our Health Care system is in.
The Blame: lousy politicians making what every other nation says is a public service a profit center stealing 35-40% of our health care dollar. BTW- Medicare=95 % of healthcare dollar goes to care. This makes Medicare the best manager of care.
Robbyte

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Jack Keightly

12:16 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

It appears its a political move on Scotts part as he seeks re-election and its sad that people in leadership do not have a backbone to stand up for the majority instead of the minority. We need to get rid of the Fraud first and then expand to the people who really need this assistance. I am for helping those who legitimately need this help. We are and aging state and many people depend on government programs but until the 'FRAUD' is elminitated I am not in favor of making any kinds of expansion. It could only result in higher taxes and even a State Tax in the future to pay for this program expansion.

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Donna Robertson

9:46 am on Monday, May 6, 2013

My concern is if the Democrats do not want to personally have it, then what good is it?

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