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Executive Orders: Is Obama Going Too Far?

President Barack Obama has the authority to set policy, but some say he’s abusing it to skirt Congress. We’d like to hear your thoughts on the issue, Tampa Bay.

 

One of the perks of sitting in the Oval Office is having the authority to set national policy on topics as far ranging as civil liberties and gun control.

The executive order is a tool afforded to the president that has long been used to direct government agencies to do certain things. While the Constitution doesn’t specifically grant this authority, according to a 1999 report prepared for Congress, presidents from George Washington forward have used orders to conduct business.

President Barack Obama’s use of the executive order, however, has drawn fire from critics. In some cases, false claims have been made about the number of orders he’s issued since taking office. One rumor, which has been squelched, claimed Obama had signed 900 executive orders before finishing his first term in office. The real number as of September 2012, according to FactCheck.org, was 139.

Rumors aside, Obama has upped the ante on executive orders in the past few months. On the gun control issue alone, he signed 23 orders, according to Forbes.

Obama is now considering a spate of additional orders, according to an article on the Tampa Bay Times’ website. The topics range from mortgage refinancing to protections for gays and lesbians.

Critics say Obama’s use of the executive order is meant not to keep government operations moving smoothly, but to bypass Congress while seizing more power for the executive branch.

"It is a very dangerous road he's going down contrary to the spirit of the Constitution," Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, is quoted in the Times article as saying. "Just because Congress doesn't act doesn't mean the president has a right to act."

Democrats don't seem to be all that thrilled with some of Obama's executive orders either.

Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, D-North Dakota, called Obama's push of gun control orders "wrong headed," according to TownHall.com.

In January, federal judges ruled against one of Obama’s orders, saying he stepped over his Constitutional authority by naming several people to sit on the National Labor Relations Board while the Senate was on a break.

Here’s what we’d like to hear from you, Tampa Bay: Is Obama justified in his use of executive orders? Or, do you agree with Grassley that he’s going down a “very dangerous road.” Share your thoughts in the comments section.

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Michael

4:18 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

How can anyone think by passing Congress is a good thing? I might as well answer myself. Only people that want free stuff and as Rush says "Low information voters". The current occupier makes all the previous progressive leaders pale in comparison. Watch the Socialists come out of the woodwork or from under the rocks.

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Michael D.

4:55 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Michael,
There is low information voters on both sides. Rush makes his own group of low information votes, and so does Beck. All the talking heads on both sides create low information voters. So don't pile it all on one side, there is more than enough that the Republican party has to answer for as well. Rush and Beck are playing one side of the game while Sharpton, Ginsberg, Schechter are playing the other side. Both sides make uninformed, low information voters. Don't bark about how one side views when you are just listening to the other snake oil salesman.
As far as bypassing congress, both sides have done it while in office. Both sides will continue to do it. And when they do it, unless it is a minor issue which doesn't take Congressioinal approval to begin with (remember all executive orders aren't to bypass Congress) they shouldn't be done.

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Greg Griffin

8:59 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

There is little excuse for bypassing Congress. Our nations system of checks and balances was established to protect the people from the acts of a tyranical government. The President is NOT a law maker, it's not his granted authority. Frankly, this man acts more like a king, IMHO.

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Torrey Craig

2:51 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

For the past 84 years, since Herbert Hover was President, a total of 8,557 executive orders have been issued by all of the Presidents who served during this period. That averages out to just about 100 orders per year. Ronald Reagan issued an average of 47.5 executive orders per year during his presidency. George Bush issued an average of 41.25 executive orders per year during his presidency. Bill Clinton issued an average of 45.375 executive orders per year during his presidency. George W Bush issued an average of 36.25 executive orders per year during his presidency. Barack Obama has issued an average of 35.75 executive orders so far during his presidency.

What is interesting to note is that our current president on average has issued fewer executive orders than all his contemporaries. Executive orders are reviewable by the Courts and can be reversed by Congress.

What was the old saying … Just the facts ma’am. Just the facts.

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Michael D.

3:39 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

But Torrey Reagan was protecting our union from an unfair and opressive Congress.... he was circumventing the system.

had to say it.

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Torrey Craig

3:47 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Michael D - Let me see if I follow your reasoning. Its OK for Reagan or one of the Bush's to issue executive orders. But should FDR or Obama issue executive orders then its not OK? I'm confused sir. Please do expand on your reasoning.

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Michael D.

4:19 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Torrey,
My reasoning it is a joke. People are complaining about Obama doing it, but if Reagan does it for those same people it's a OK. Nothing more, nothing less. I feel the executive order, should only be used in the most extreme or minor of situation. So from my perspective it's circumventing the system regardless who does it. But it does have it post implementation balances.

richard disbrow

4:41 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

he is power hungry he lies takes credit for everything and blames bush for the ecomomy his engery policy is only driving up the cost of energy tax more spend more will not work its time there is term limits on congress and a buget must balance no more not having a budget

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Michael D.

5:03 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Richard,
What President isn't a little power hungry. As far as Blaming Bush for the Economy, if you look at trends he would be right. Anyone that follows business trends could tell when Bush decided to change the economic focus of the government/treasury it was a bad thing. Aides of Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton were bashing it, but didn't stop him. Now Obama continuing with that policy is on Obama. And he is at fault for the continued weaking of the dollar, but the initial damage was done under Bush. Both have blame, but don't try to say Bush has none. Of the 17 Trillion of Deficit 11.7 by U.S Treasury Reports are due to Bush Administration Policies (which does mean that Obama owns the other 5.3 administration). Thank the Freedom of Information act for those numbers. Those are just the facts.
As far as Energy prices, if only the President was powerful enough to raise the real cost of energy. That is supply and demand, and there is just more and more demand.
I agree with you on Congressional term limits a Congressmen shouldn't be able to be in Congress for 60 years, how can they really relate to the people in that case.
In the end the system is broken, and the people who should be in charge of said system don't care. The apathy of the average citizen is what keeps the powers at be in charge.

JACOB

4:53 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

To heck with congress, to heck with democracy, to heck with the constitution....I'll just whip out my magic pen and do things MY way....I'm un-stopable now! Do you think we'll ever get the good-old USA back again? How about the "American Dream"? Work-hard, live-well? I'm sure most of Obama's supporters don't know much about those sort of things.

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Michael D.

5:07 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Neither did the Bush Supports, The Clinton Supports, etc... so is your comment really saying. In you response, are you going to explain how any man is going to truly tell the country we are in an economic shift. How our manufacturing jobs can't compete because the cost of labor is too high. This sounds as bad as all the super liberals blaming Bush for everything in 2004.

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joanne wilson

2:23 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

All talk all over the country. But......who's doing anything about it. NOBODY!!! Maybe there's nothing that can be done but let one man run the country!!! Where are you AMERICANS (including myself)?????

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Mark E. Talboom, D.C.

1:43 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013

I suppose the deadlock and refusal to cooperate on any level is preferred for folks like you. This isn't abuse of power. It's an attempt to actually get something accomplished while the congress sits on their hands and does little but vote 33 times to repeal ObamaCare--which is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN because people are tired of the repugs and their teabugger masters.
The demise of the republican party can't happen soon enough if this is all they've got-NONONONO. Obama extended a hand of way too much cooperation throughout his first term much to the anger of his supporters and the republicans took this as a sign of weakness, and the Boneristas refused to take that opportunity to get some things done. You can hardly blame the president for not wanting a repeat of that scenario time around. The people in this country are tired of republican-caused gridlock--I for one applaud the president. Maybe the other side will get the message and start serving their constituents instead of the Koch Bros. and Big Money interests.

David Conkle

5:26 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

If congress would do it's job, no President would have to create executive orders. Now we have a do nothing Republican led House of Representatives and a poorly led divided Senate. Congress is not doing the job that they were sent to Washington by the people to do. No wonder they are rated lower than cockroaches and head lice. The Republican party is failing ever so completely. If they continue with their consistent abject stupidity they will continue being a party of failed policy and irrelevant ideas. What ever happened to the idea that we are all in this together? When will our leaders once again work for the common good instead of the monied special interests? Perhaps we should consider throwing all these idiots out of office and begin again anew.

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TBL35

6:18 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Couldn't have said it better myself!

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J N

10:20 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

If "we're all in this together," then perhaps you shouldn't suggest that anyone who disagrees with you must do so because of "abject stupidity." This is not how you convince people who don't already agree with you.

william irizarry

5:47 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

The hater Republicans that still are sore that their Romney didn't win will always yell foul. But if we are to just look at one president before Obama we see that history willl always show a president that started two wars and steamrolled our country into the biggest deficit in American history. While Obama isn't exactly doing much to change those numbers, I will always view him as the better alternative to the previous president.

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Harvey

9:15 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Why is it that every time a liberal talks about the conservatives they find it necessary to refer to them as "haters?" Is this the new left-wing buzzword? I don't see an equivalent coming from the conservative side. This just looks like propaganda to me. There are winners and losers on both sides. How about we stop with the childish name calling? I actually see more pure hatred coming from some liberal groups.

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Michael D.

10:05 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Harvey,
Both sides are doing the name calling, but neither sides sees it when it is their side doing the name calling. Both sides have their buzzwords, and both are being feed opinions being sold as facts by "news" organizations. I see the pure hatred on both sides as equal. It is what is truly fracturing our country, not the figure-heads "running" it.

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michael mirra

11:15 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Harvey wants to know why people call conservatives "haters". If he doesn't understand why, then no one can explain it to him, but I will try.
Conservatives 'don't like' lots of people. They don't like refugees from downtrodden nations that refuse to jump through hoops to be accepted. They give them labels like Illegals. They don't like people with non white skin tones as much as with white skin. Conservatives don't like people that don't adapt their perverted twisted moral structure & want freedom to pursue happiness in this land known as freedom. They oppress people that want to marry the person of their choice, unless they approve of the choice. They don't like people that don't share their over the top nationalistic insanity. They alienate people by their strong dislike. They alienate Latinos, Gays, People of Peace, Blacks,educated people, artistic people, etc. They alienate these people because they show their strong dislike & attitude of superiority toward these people flagrantly. Some left leaning people call these dislikes a form of HATE. Go figure?

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Michael D.

9:18 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

MM,
And no people on the extreme liberal side, are oppressive in their own ways. Both groups can be filled with hate. Just read how you discribe the conservatives, and you will see you are as bad as those you complain about.

Dan Pressler

11:14 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Obama is largely - although not solely - responsible for the latest tax debacle that, as I recall, raised taxes $43 for every $1 in spending cuts - so much for the man who promised to cut the federal deficit in 1/2 by the end of his first term.

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Dan Pressler

11:28 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Michael -
Conservatives think people should obey they law & not be rewarded when they do break the law. Conservatives think people who break the law are criminals - would you prefer "criminal" over "illegal" immigrants. Or perhaps you think there should be no laws - immigration or otherwise. Conservatives think homosexuals are the ones with a 'perverted twisted moral structure'. Conservatives believe we should not arm people who have promised to commit genocide. Conservatives believe individuals & countries should be allowed & encouraged to protect themselves.
If you consider this hatred you must be a liberal - if you agree with these values you are a conservative & are hated for what you believe by those who do not like what you believe & call you a "hater".

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Michael D.

9:29 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Dan,
Conservatives also like to determine which laws are unjust as well. It is a just different laws they feel are unjust.
Conservatives are also paying those people to break the laws in order to have cheaper labor. As always follow the money. The companies that are paying the foreign workers are the same that are big donators to the conservative movement.
As far as your other three points follow the money, conservatives and their financial backers are just as bad at those three points.
When we have to result to groupings like liberal,conservative,teabagger, etc.. you are part of the problem and not the solution. All the different "groups" have good points, but also have bad ones. In the end all American's want a strong America, just the "groups" don't want to look at all the data and logic to get there.

Tommy Frain

4:17 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Whether you consider yourself a conservative, a liberal, or somewhere between or outside those bounds, we must look at the history of executive orders. As the article points out, they have been used since the time of Washington, yet still do not have clear constitutional authority. What was not mentioned, though, is that executive orders were not used to legislate for much of the history of the United States. Up until the 1900's, executive orders were hardly even kept record of because of their mundane nature and usually was just directions to certain agencies. What we have seen in the latter part of the 20th century and grown hugely under both Bush and Obama administrations is a stretch and abuse of such power. The executive branch has no power to legislate, but to aid in the carrying out of the decisions of congress. The power to make law is supposed to be strictly kept in Congress who are supposed to be the representatives of the people. To just blame Obama, or justify it by citing Bush, is beating around the bigger issue of the orders constitutionality and where the line is for the power these orders have. We must begin to have an intelligent argument about this issue and many others instead of pandering to polarizing partisan politics and meaningless political labels.

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michael mirra

6:50 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Dan. I don't call them criminals, or illegals. I call them refugees seeking asylum in the land of the free & frustrated by the hoops that obstructionists try to make them hump through so there is an excuse to harass them legally. "perverted & twisted moral structure" is a subjective value judgement & is just a way of saying that if a person doesn't have your moral hang ups & repressive view of life, you will endeavor to limit their freedom to peruse their lives due to your mental problems of trying to make everyone just like you.
I don't want to arm people that might commit genocide, but I also don't want to let anyone who can buy a gun, own a gun, as that has proven to not work well in society. The hatred part comes in when mickey mouse bull crap is rationalized to justify your exclusionist & restrictive agenda on how America must remain in the 1950s, with all the social stratification that you think is natural reality. It's that stratification, inherent in your hearts that we call hate.

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Tom Romano

8:03 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

When my parents came over from Italy they had to suffer the embarraasment of Ellis Island and go through a lot of red tape before being allowed in America. They had to submit to all kinds of tests and HAD to learn the English language. Nowadays you just cross the border illegally, have some kids and claim them as citizens, get a job with a landscaping company, get paid off the books so you dont have to pay taxes, and send your money back to other family members who still live in the country you came from, get free medical at all our Hospitals, and take jobs away from real American citizens

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michael mirra

8:42 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Let's tear down the Statue of Liberty & put up an electrified fence along all the land borders & along the coasts. We can bring all the soldiers home from Afghanistan & put them armed with machine guns along all the borders too. We can put up signs saying "no stinking foreigners allowed" & we can give the armed guards a $100 bonus per Mexican they shoot dead. That will keep America free. Ah Amerika. It makes a body proud. Kill a Border crosser for Christ.

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It Matters

10:56 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Michael, Do you think all of that is really necessary? why do all of that when all we have to do is enforce the laws?

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Michael

11:07 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Sweet simple and correct answer. If only all the serial commentators could stick to the question as it pertains to the current occupier and not deflect to previous abuses. It still doesn't make what hes doing right, (OOPS) correct. So, I wonder who are the true haters here?

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Michael D.

11:12 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Michael,
Having read your comments over multiple threads on this page, you are just as bad as the liberal variety of "haters" on here. As you did quote Rush with "Low Information Voters". If you are going to bring more information into an agrument, don't complain about people doing the same. It's called being a hypocrite.

tom maddalena

10:41 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The question is "Executive Orders: Is Obama Going Too Far?". Stay FOCUSED. I believe he is- YES. Look at the executive orders he has written. He and his administration are chipping away at the constitution. It's a SIMPLE QUESTION. Don't go off in a million different directions. Answer the Question!

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Michael D.

10:52 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Tom,
Has he? yes. did Bush? yes. Is he just continuing where Bush started with the stripping of liberties? yes. Are they owned by the same corporations? yes.

It Matters

10:52 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Tom, I agree with you!! It's so true how people can just cross the border illegally and have more rights and benefits than an American. Take away jobs from Americans and get paid under the table...They don't even want to learn English. They want you to learn their language. It's not that we don't want them here, but come the right way, like your parents and so many others. Learn our language, pay taxes, pay for insurance and follow the laws of the land. That's all we're saying. BE FAIR ABOUT IT!

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S. Ripley

10:57 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Every president uses executive orders. If he is your guy: he is deftly enacting sound policy in situations where congress can’t or won’t act. If he is not your guy: it is a ruthless power grab to take away your money and individual freedoms. Supporting evidence is any source that supports my guy and/or discredits your guy, regardless of the actual facts. Let the rants continue, I’m going to work.

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Allie's Grandpa

7:35 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Well said, sir, well said.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Nancy MacDonald

11:10 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The President is doing what he has to do to get things done. If he relies on congress he will hit gridlock. I would rather him take the initiative and I would do the same. Nancy MacDonald

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michael mirra

1:07 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The President is passing executive orders because he has to focus on getting the job of fixing America done & done right. The neanderthals in the house of representitives are making it necessery to bypass them to accomplish anything needed to not just stagnate & go deeper into the hole the republicans created & keep trying to pull us back down in to keep us there since they lost control.

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Michael D.

1:20 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

MM,
Both parties created, don't start blaming one hand without the other hand. And yes, he is bypassing a system of checks and balances. To say otherwise is just pandering. If he wanted to truly correct the mess he would start with our economic policy which he hasn't touched. Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton all knew that is how to fix the economy, unfortunitely our last two administrations are too scared to do so.

michael mirra

1:31 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

He does know how to fix the economy. Did you not listen to his State Of The Union Address. If he was left unhampered, America would reach new heights in everything that matters. His wanting to raise the minimum wage alone would put untold more $ into the cash flow. The only cut back producers would have to make is to scale back the CEOs & their cronies salaries. Guys like Gordon Romney Grecco would make smaller exorbitant salaries.

That alone, plus his proposal to rebuild the infrastructure would put $ into the pockets of the workers, the companies supplying the materials, the companies transporting the materials, etc. Most of his agenda would have a snowball effect to put America economically on track while rebuilding out country that has fallen into ruin since financing two needless wars.

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Michael D.

3:28 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

MM,
Ohhhh, so just like Bush if Obama was left unhampered he would save our economy. I get it, though the economy is getting better it's no where close to being cured. First the State of the Union is no longer what it was even 20 years ago. It's a made for TV press conference. It's made for wagging fingers. And it is up to the Federal Government to regulate the salaries in a Free Market / Capitalistic Republic. The CEO's don't deserve their Market value. That is not a CEO problem, it is a market problem. Lets raise the costs of manufacturing, so we can compete against other countries who can make the same product at 1/10th the cost? Which product are you going to buy the $4 product made in the USA or the $.40 same product made elsewhere? Why does Wal-Mart do so well?
The raising of the minimum wage is a short term fix until prices adjust to a new minimum. Minimum wage has increased from $4.25 in 1996 to $7.25 today. Is your dollar worth more or less than it was in 1996? Supply and Demand. There is more dollars in the system, they are worth less. In this case I'm going to use a common economic tool, the Big Mac index. In 1996 it was 2.36 today it is 4.20. Which means the value of your dollar is worth a little under half of what it was worth (after removing inflation). Got to pay those McDonald's employees that $7.25 an hour. Remember Minimum Wage goes up, but everybody making more than that just lost spending power.

tom maddalena

2:05 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

i am going off subject.. but the housing crisis that brought this upon us was totally democrat driven... you should read about it. mccain was trying to straighten it out but the democratic controlled house and congress cut him off at every turn. that's a fact. and if you look at the wars we fought, realistically, yes they cost way too much... and we should have been able to pull out after 4 years. but the regimes and taliban that declared war on us during the carter administration and the terror leaders are wiped out. it's turmoil now but it's better than it was. their power to attack us at home is not what it was..

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Michael D.

3:32 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Todd,
Housing was not complete democrat driven. But the origins are democratic in nature. There are plenty of Republican hands in it as well. Just like the wars, were not completely republican driven. I believe a lot of democrats signed off on it as well.

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Tommy Frain

6:21 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The housing issue, the war issue, and the executive order issue is not a left-right issue it is a status quo issue. Both sides of the chamber put on a good show of divisiveness and debate, but in the end they win and we the people lose. Both the left and the right are FOR expansion of military operations, were FOR inflating the housing bubble post 9/11 and even back to the Nixon Admin., and both have used the powers of the executive order to usurp the Constitution. It is about time we the people hold our elected officials accountable, on both sides of the aisle, and realize that they are all to blame.

Jim Slaughter

3:03 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

When you have one party that is just totally obstructionist, regardless of the merit of the issue based on ideology and party, then somehow things need to get done. I would hope the Republicans would wake up. Maybe Obama using executive orders will nudge them into some level of cooperation. Just how well did their plan work out to make him a one term President? Hmmmm? Most rational people are fed up with the radical direction the GOP has taken by allowing the tea party trolls to gain too much control.

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Dad of Three

7:42 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

To be fair, Clinton was partly to blame with his "let's ease regulations" attitude (which is why some conservatives liked Clinton), but Bush took the nation way over the top with his failure to ensure proper oversight and correction.

Sadly, my GOP (and Dad's too) has gone bonkers for what the right wing extremists like to call a "market-based economy," which has actually meant "get away with as much plundering as you can before the s**t hits the fan."

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Michael D.

9:06 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Do3,
A market economy works if the market is a Free Market, which isn't the case here in America. The Market for CEO/executive pay is hyper-inflated due to some of the piece the market has. Like any market it will crash (in my opinion), but just like the top is artifically inflated so is the bottom. The people getting crunched are the middle class, and we allow it to happen.

gail

3:08 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Many executive orders in the past were proclaiming special days and honors on people, many very minor orders. But Obama has used this limited power in a way that no other President has, he is userping the Constitution.

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Allie's Grandpa

7:46 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Good grief, gail, you are making an absurd statement.

Where do you get this kind of crap?

Martha R Hayes

4:32 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

A simple question. My simple answer, NO! One comment not debating a thing: Until we can come together and show support for OUR President, no one is benefiting. Very sad examples for our children,

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Jim Slaughter

5:07 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

ABSOLUTELY! Thank you for your comment!

rick barasso

7:28 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

gail,
You have no idea what you are talking about. You have no facts to back up your theory. So I guess, you are a true Republican!

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JS

8:01 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Fascism at its finest! Enjoy America, you put him in there.

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michael mirra

7:36 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

You've got it all wrong. It's like Sinclair Lewis said in 1935>
WHEN FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA IT WILL COME AS A CRUCIFIX WRAPPED IN A FLAG.

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David Conkle

8:27 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Wait, I'm confused? I thought the President was a socialist. Please explain how one can be a socialist and a facist at the same time. Aren't these two idealogies diametrically opposed? Please make up your mind JS, the President can't be a facist and a socialist at the same time. You're not making any sense in espousing your blind hatred for a good man.

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Michael D.

9:08 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

David,
How dare you use their own agruments against them. For shame.

Dan Pressler

9:12 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

David Conkle -
Obama is many things - possible even a good man - but he sure is an awful president who does not have a clue about America & has done more damage to this country - economically & militarily - thru his extralegal activities than any president I can recall or think of. It does not matter if he is Fascist or Socialist he is just plain bad for america

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Robert Saltzman

9:56 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

"It does not matter if he is Fascist or Socialist he is just plain bad for america"

Because??? Please explain you accusations, according to who? Those that didn't vote for him?

"Obama .... he sure is an awful president who does not have a clue about America & has done more damage to this country"

Can you give us your specifics on this statement...inquiring minds want to know and all that rubbish...

David Conkle

9:59 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Dan, perhaps it is you and the other malcontented Republican/Teabaggers who are bad for America. If you don't like it, lump it or leave it. The majority of Americans are so tired of people such as yourself playing the blame game at every opportunity and espousing their lies and vile hatreds. To be sure we have many unresolved issues and problems in our country and I don't agree with the expansion of executive powers either, however, you're either part of the solution or part of the problem. Which are you, Dan?

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Karen Liebold

12:43 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I believe this situation isn't all about how many executive orders President Obama has issued. but about the actual content of the orders and why he does them. If he were in Washington working more, and not "campaigning" around the coutry for his causes, and at least appearing to work together with Congress, there might be less anxiety over these executive orders. Finally, this nation's founding fathers put a particular system of checks and balances in place for a purpose, and I do feel our current president tries to circumvent them way too often.

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vera charles

12:41 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

The current House of Representatives is the most dysfunctional legislative body this nation has ever seen.

Ronald Reagan, who thrived on the carefully constructed compromises he worked out with House Speaker Tip O'Neil, would have been frustrated by the absurd refusals by the current House to engage in good government compromises so that our nation could progress, rather than be the laughing stock of the industrialized nations.

Lyndon Johnson would never have been able to pass both Medicare, the lifeline for our seniors, and the Civil Rights Act, which finally drove a stake in the heart of the social vampires which wanted to keep some of our people as second class citizens.

Both of those powerful and astute Presidents would have used Executive Orders much more than they did, if they also had to endure the burden of this GOP-led House which prefers to shut down government, and risk the US debt rating, and damn the economy to more and more uncertainty making businesses too nervous to act boldly with growth.

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B Wood

2:48 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

I am amazed at how popular it is to make a bold political statement and then either not provide any factual support for it or to provide a completely one sided view to support it. Virtually every elected politician does this (including the President) and most major news media do this because they are paid to be biased and to influence the general public.

It important to remember almost every issue has two sides to consider before one should take a bold position on any issue. We, the citizens, should strive for a more balanced position on these issues and also consider the opposing arguments before taking strong positions.

Is Obama justified in his use of executive orders? Every President has used executive orders, and its not the number of orders, rather the content or objective of the executive order(s) that is important. Executive orders challenging or iqnoring existing law(s) and/or the Constitution are wrong and allow individuals in government to bypass the citizens due process. We have existing processes for updating those laws and the Constitution.

Before you defend or criticize the President, look at the content/objectives of his 139 executive orders before you take a position. I suspect most of the authors expressing their thoughts in this thread, have very little knowledge of the executive orders contents and objectives.

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Jim Slaughter

12:27 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013

Precisely! Remember, Obama was a constitutional law professor. Between his own knowledge and that provided him by the Attorney General, I suspect he is on sound legal footing when issuing executive orders. The GOP whines about everything that wasn't THEIR idea. They need to wise up before they cease to exist.

Mark E. Talboom, D.C.

10:17 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013

The past four years we have seen "the worst congress in history" with the "lowest approval rating ever", led by the PARTY OF NO reject almost everything the president has proposed all in the name of making him "a one term president". Well, that approach failed. Now they saying NO, just to be obstructionist and because they can.
When you a congress that wastes the people's time and money by voting to repeal ObamaCare 33 times, it is pretty sure indicator that they have no intention of working for the interest of their constituents and aren't serious about accomplishing anything for the next 4 years.
They then accuse the president of "not leading" and when he does propose legislations, he "isn't serious". If the republicans and their teabugger masters would even attempt to cooperate with the president instead of blocking or not even considering legislation, that might be a good start.
I agree that a president of either party shouldn't have to issue executive orders to get anything done. The carrot doesn't seem to work for this bunch of congress asses to get them moving. Maybe the stick approach of a series of executive orders and taking his case to the people might get things moving, but I doubt it. All these congressional republicans will do is NOTHING. Oh wait.... that's wrong. They will do NOTHING and then WHINE about the president's actions.

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Allie's Grandpa

11:54 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013

AS a lifelong centrist Republican, I applaud this sound analysis of our current problems in Washington.

Bring back the era of centrist cooperation between the Republicans and the Democrats; it served us well, when it was the standard, for most of the twentieth century.

Extremists from the radical right and the radical left are a cancer in the body politic.

Jim Slaughter

12:24 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013

Grandpa, you've got it exactly right but I don't see the radical left as anywhere near the vile language and refusal to cooperate as on the right. The GOP has let the Tea Baggers set the agenda. BAD mistake GOP! The people are fed up. Get on board or we will be sure you get lost in 2014.

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Allie's Grandpa

9:29 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013

You are correct on the current disproportionality, but there was a time in the 60's and early 70's when the radical left was stronger.

In recent years the radical right lunatic fringe of the GOP have been the dominant radical force, and there is certainly no radical left media outlet that comes close to the clowns like Limbaugh and Hannity and O'Reilly and Beck (and there are probably fringe metaphorical toilet lickers much more extreme than those whom I have encountered).

Clearly they are feeding the "Tea Party" frenzy which is currently destroying America.

But this is not a static situation, and my objection is to the radical fringes of American politics, whether of the left or right.

A plague on both of their sick houses.

michael mirra

4:55 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

Grandpa, you said there were some more extreme than O'Rielly & Beck. You got that right. Check out Alex Jones>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TgOzRjG4Cvw
Years ago, he blamed Bush/Channey for faking 9/11. Now he is anti Obama.
Check out the true insanity. O'Rielly & Beck are like alter boys compared to this a-hole.

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Jim S

11:35 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

Alex Jones is DANGEROUS. He poisons the weak minded who can't think for themselves. Someday, one of these insanely radical individuals is going to go too far and goad some psychopath in their audience to kill someone. THEN maybe we can have a sane conversation about just how far free speech should go. IMHO, spouting the hatred and bile people like Jones, et al put out is no different than yelling FIRE in a crowded theater. ... and .... THAT concept IS illegal.

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